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WHY SABARIMALA RESTRICTS ENTRY OF ALL WOMEN WHO COULD MENSTRUATE? Reply to Comments

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We give you the benefit of the doubt .So if that is the case the principle works for all women going to any temple. Is it not? So the same principle will apply if people go to the Ram Mandir whenever it is built in Ayodhya too. So why cannot the Supreme Court be made to understand this principle. Why is it that leaders like Amit Shah and the BJP not really understood this principle. If they are really concerned about devotees in general they should explain to the Supreme Court. Then all this unnessary doubts will go from people’s minds.

Answer:

In today’s world these things are hard to be believed.

Coz now people will ask questions like:

So can i go on non menstruation days?

Shall i operate myself and ensure i do not get menstruation?

And then out of say 100 women who will goto sabarimala during menstruation few will not get affected at all?

And then they will still think what is connection between menstruation and God.

Why is Ayyappa partial in punishing? Why God punishes only females, why this partiarchy?

First understand the context.

So see temples are not places of worship.

Ayyappa is not God. We worship Ayyappa because we saw God in him. He is a deity. Deity is God like. We see God in Sun, Trees, Snakes, Ayyappa is like God, so meaning i can call Ayyappa God as well but its ok if i say deity or if i don’t believe as well.

I mean, tell me isn’t God everywhere. So you are God as well, in that sense Ayyappa is God. Whole Universe, cosmos is God right. This is the crux of the matter which is why we used to worship snakes, elephants, monkeys, various Gods etc.

I mean can anyone say God is 100% this or that. No right? We can all describe only certain portions of God or explain God to an extent.

God in Totality no one can know, in fact humans can know only so much.

But again not necessary you have to follow the same.

So what is one of the point of God. Point is to be good whether you believe in God, Athiest or many Gods. Live and Let live.

I mean isnt that’s what every faith teaches. To be good, to be in harmony.

In Hinduism you can believe God, or No God. Hinduism first of all is not a religion. Hindu is a person who believes whatever he wants including being a athiest. But a hindu also does not say other faiths are wrong or Hindu way is only way.

Infact, you can believe shiva and allah. You are a hindu, if you don’t say only your God is God.

You are athiest, you are a hindu. But you don’t say no God to others.

Only thing is you dont say your way is the only way. You are a Hindu.

In fact word Hindu word evolved because anyone born in between land of Himalayas and Indian Ocean is a Hindu. This is the physical or root meaning.

Belief wise Hinduism=Any religion or an Atheist but don’t say others are wrong. That’s all. You are a Hindu

As for scriptures, mantras, poojas, mythology etc. they are different context.
Again it will be a big topic to answer. You can see the video:

So anyone can create Gods in Hinduism. Snake God, Amman(Village God) etc. It means hindu sees God in everything.

But unfortunately over centuries like many things in the world we forgot the essence and got stuck with rituals, worship etc.

They are places with certain energy fields.

Now question will arise what energy, is it a must to goto temple to get energy.

Can’t i meditate.

This is like short sight questions or views? Becoz temples, hinduism concept is ocean. First you have to know and then question.

See the temples were built for a certain reason, in a certain time. We need to understand the context.

So point is not only temples.

I am saying anything, we should discuss. Now if both sides say, me and my friend we start a business.

I am strong about some idea, he is strong about some idea.

Now, this is where we need to deal and tread carefully. Point is LIVE & LET LIVE.

Now unfortunately everyone is bound my some image, time, ideology etc.

Nobody is ready to step in each other shoe, that’s all.

Supreme court thinks law is supreme. Yes, it is but law should help people.

Amit shah thinks Hindus are right. Yes hindus are right but they should avoid making it a communal issue. Amit shah should have called all religious leaders in kerala for meeting and bring peace to situation instead of calling only hindu leaders.

I am saying everyone keep aside all emotions, put forward views, find a solution.

Then not only sabarimala any issue can be sorted.

In today’s world these things are hard to be believed.

Coz now people will ask questions like:

So can i go on non menstruation days.

Shall i operate myself and ensure i do not get menstruation.

And then out of say 100 women who will goto sabarimala during menstruation few will not get affected at all.

And then they will still think what is connection between menstruation and God. Why is Ayyappa partial in punishing? Why God punishes only females, why this partiarchy?

First understand the context.

So see temples are not places of worship.

Ayyappa is not God. We worship Ayyappa because we saw God in him. He is a deity. Deity is God like. We see God in Sun, Trees, Snakes, Ayyappa is like God, so meaning i can call Ayyappa God as well but its ok if i say deity or if i don’t believe as well.

I mean, tell me isn’t God everywhere. Whole Universe, cosmos is God right. This is the crux of the matter which is why we used to worship snakes, elephants, monkeys, various Gods etc.

But again not necessary you have to follow the same.

So point is to be good whether you believe in God, Athiest or many Gods.

I mean isnt that’s what every faith teaches. To be good, to be in harmony.

In Hinduism you can believe God, or No God. Hinduism first of all is not a religion. Hindu is a person who believes whatever he wants including being a athiest. But a hindu also does not say other faiths are wrong or Hindu way is only way

Infact, you can believe shiva and allah. You are a hindu, if you don’t say only your God is God.

You are athiest, you are a hindu. But you don’t say no God to others.

Only thing is you dont say your way is the only way. You are a Hindu.

In fact word Hindu word evolved because anyone born in between land of Himalayas and Indian Ocean is a Hindu. This is the physical or root meaning.

Belief wise Hinduism=Any religion or an Atheist but don’t say others are wrong. That’s all. You are a Hindu

As for scriptures, mantras, poojas, mythology etc. they are different context.
Again it will be a big topic to answer. You can see the video:

So anyone can create Gods in Hinduism. Snake God, Amman(Village God) etc. It means hindu sees God in everything.

But unfortunately over centuries like many things in the world we forgot the essence and got stuck with rituals, worship etc.

They are places with certain energy fields.

Now question will arise what energy, is it a must to goto temple to get energy.

Can’t i meditate.

This is like short sight questions or views? Becoz temples, hinduism concept is ocean. First you have to know and then question.

See the temples were built for a certain reason, in a certain time. We need to understand the context.

So point is not only temples.

I am saying anything, we should discuss. Now if both sides say, me and my friend we start a business.

I am strong about some idea, he is strong about some idea.

Now, this is where we need to deal and tread carefully. Point is LIVE & LET LIVE.

Now unfortunately everyone is bound by some image, time, ideology etc.

Nobody is ready to step in each other shoe, that’s all.

Supreme court is a law making body and thinks law is supreme. But why are laws made in the first place? Yes, it is a respectes body but law should help people. So law can change if situations demand.

Amit shah thinks Hindus are right. The BJP is a pro-hindu party. Yes hindus are right in this case but they should avoid making it a communal issue. Amit shah should have called all religious leaders in kerala for meeting and bring peace to situation instead of calling only hindu leaders recently. BJP is a political party but they shouls have thought beyond politics in this case and bring about peace by taking all sides into confidence.

I am saying like this everyone keep aside all emotions, put forward views, find a solution.

Then not only sabarimala any issue can be sorted.

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Why girls should not enter temple and other religious places during menstruation ?

Comments:

You said you are referring to ancient temples i believe, but today temples are not constructed in the architect way so how will this impact on women

Answer:

Firstly, Its difficult to build like ancient temples.

But if the modern temple is constructed matching say 90-95 percent of ancient architecture. So yes bad effects might be slightly less but cant be ignored.

Because there are other things in temple like idol, bells, worshipping methods which also give energy to people who enter temple.

For One person spirituality is about temple.

But in your case since you are educated, you say not everybody needs to go to temple to be morally good. This is also correct. You are spiritual because of education, society you were brought up.

I appreciate you want things to be a little more practical and easy to believe but tell me how many people will be morally upright even when no one is seeing them.
For eg: A penicillin vaccine while cures for some one, it is lethal as well because there people, in fact i am sensitive to it. Science is also created by human which has its own limitations and faults.

Same with temples, it has its good and limitations. So why we are only looking at limitations of temple like religion, idol worship, restricting menstrual women. Please see the benefits.

Now if you dont like temples well and good.

If you feel nothing will happen when menstrual women go to temple well and good.

But like pencillin, what if there is some negatives for menstrual women.

Temple also has other significances.

Not everybody will just be good unless there is a concept of God, temple, cops, court, punishment etc.

Like plastic, its polluting but we use it. Similarly temple is not perfect, in fact nothing is perfect. So why only pick bads of temple ritual or rules.

Now the problem is about believing in the energy, what temples provide, (which is true, they have certain energies, its like pranic healing, accupressure. These methods are not visible but they work like your medicine or injection). This will require a bit of effort, you have to try it yourself, not much effort but you are the only person who can feel it.

The problem for this is, we believe everything our ancestors did was pagan, superstition. Yes, but not everything. We should remove old superstitions but there’s no harm in following what good they followed – like Yoga, etc.

Read here: Hope this helps.
http://www.speakingtree.in/allslides/science-behind-hindu-temples/

Honestly I too had little knowledge abt #Sabarimala n initially shouted why such discrimination,why can’t ladies go. Then I took out time n learnt abt d temple’s traditions n #Ayyappa n understood thr is no harm for women in waiting.

The way its imposed without EXPLANATION, without CLARITY is wrong,but reason is right. Both sides should keep their emotions aside.Then oly this debate will end.

 

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Why Sabarimala restricts entry of all women who could menstruate?

The way its imposed without EXPLANATION, without CLARITY is wrong, but reason is right.

Both sides should keep their emotions aside. Then only this debate will end.

If a Dummy #Ayyappa Idol & Sanctum like #Sabarimala is created, BAN reason can be PROVEN.

Now know the Science beyond Idol or Diety worship.

Not necessarily everybody needs a idol or temple.

You can do it through self motivation.

You can do it through self help books.

You can do i through your own way.

You can goto Church.

You can do i through Jesus.

You can do it through Allah.

Or you can just be educated.

But that doesn’t mean an uneducated person won’t know God or be successful or practical or knowledgeable in life.

In short i don’t have to know any idol, diety, Jesus, or Allah. Nothing wrong.

At same time i could be Athiest also. Nothing wrong.

But there are drawbacks believing and not believing. So no side is foolproof.

Stop linking it to religion. At least for sake of curiosity if nothing else,dig deeper to see truth.

Try to prove if thing like diety, energies, mantras, rituals are fake.

Yes, go deep in them, find if there is truth in them.

Then you will know.

Don’t decide or assume that temples, deity, idols, rituals are superstitious.

Yes, mostly today that is the case but if you are really hell bent to prove it fake then can’t help.

I said look if there is truth in it. That’s all.

You will find. These things are experiential.

Not everything can be explained.

If you don’t experience doesn’t mean mantras, rituals are fake. Yes, superstitious practices should go, gender bias should go.

But true traditions should be respected.

Let’s not reduce feminism to fighting for things we have NO knowledge & actually cause us harm.

Hold Emotions Both Sides. THINK. DEBATE. Hope you Watched the video why #Sabarimala or as a matter of fact why temples restricts entry of all Women who could menstruate.

Temples are spiritual places.

They are energized places to help you see a dimension beyond your physical nature and LOGICAL mind as well.

Yes, i agree today unfortunately its become business, religion.

Remember Temple is not place of worship.

There is no God in Hinduism.

Only deities.

Deities are just personification of God.

I see God in Shiva, Krishna, Trees, and Idols.

So when i say Shiva is God i actually mean he was God like.

Yes you are free to curse, not follow Shiva, Krishna.

Now you question they existed, did they have super powers, where are they now, that is another story. Will write soon about it.

But get the essence.

Hinduism means not a religion.

Anyone can follow any type of God.

You need not follow God.

So Hindu is a person who follows what he wants (can be athiest also) but does not say Christian, Muslim others are wrong.

That is all. There is no word religion in any Hindu text. It says Dharma, which i need not say. See true meaning of dharma.

Now yes lot of questions in your mind. Please post comments.

So now coming to the point about idols.

Yes, God created stones right.

So where did Idols come from? Stones.

So i see God in the stone and worship through mantras, because they work for me. Yes, not everyone going to mantra, temple gets what he wants.

But that is applicable to anything in life. Even logic fails. Just that in logic i can point out reasons.

In these matters sometimes reasons are unknown like why God allows evil in world etc.

But again can anyone say fully about God.

Even word of God, Quran says only what is required for humans to goto heaven.

There will be reason but we should know that in this big universe we can never know more than 0.1 percent.

But you can experience more of the Universe.

Experience is beyond knowledge. Now you tell me which is superior being a knowledgeable person.

So there are mantras, procedures to make a stone into a energy storehouse.

Unfortunately over period of centuries people got engrossed in Idol, worship, rituals and forgot essence why idol was created.

Point is if i worship idols or call deity as God. Dont worry, ignore. Point is am i as a human being spiritual, good, at peace, happy etc.

Is this what God is, Yes.

Some see it in social service. They say humanity. Point is both strive for same feel right, ways are different.

Now logical, scientific, hip hop generation due to today’s modern education, access to technology say its not required, good, i appreciate that. They are also right.

But dont get into arguement that your way is the only way. Point out mistakes if they dont listen, live and let live.

But yes if they force God, spirituality on you, do the needful but ensure both sides know your boundaries and decorum.

Remember no human is ever fully satisfied.

Why because we are beyond emotions, governments, rules, money, family, job, religion, rituals, success etc.

There is a dimmension in a human which will never be satisfied.

That is our nature.

Find what is this nature.

Yes, there are ways to achieve this. Some seek it in success, some in love, some in fame, some in God, some in logic.

But what is the feel we all get when we get there. Be it money, love or success or fame.

The feel is same, names are different like happy, peace, spiritual, achievement etc.

Get the essence. Plus understand human body & mind always has a certain limit to which it can grasp things right.

Still Not Convinced.

Live & Let Live.

Agree to Disagree.

E=mc2.

Nothing in UNIVERSE is created or destroyed.

Form changes. You believe, you don’t believe it doesn’t matter. Point is have you experienced.

Good, but dont say other person has to experience the same way. That’s all.

He might, he might not all, or he might have experienced which you dont agree. That’s all.

Remember Atoms. Everything in world has atoms. Even God because God created universe right.

So where did he get atoms from?

Get the essence, now don’t argue that God and atoms are different.

You are saying God is superior to atoms. He can create, destroy atoms.

I am saying i see God in Atoms. Will God say that atoms are not mine. Creation is not mine.

Logical people say, there will be a day science will go beyond Atoms. They will find what it is.

They want to know things through understanding. That’s all.

Some people might deny everything. Call all this bull.

Why you want to argue that your way of looking is superior?

Point is you still think nothing in universe is connected.

I am saying everything in universe is connected. Some are dominant, some are understood, that’s all.

See in short, a human is just a form of life.

But problem is it is only life which knows that it exists CONCIOUSLY. Animals, trees also know they exist.

Animals have feelings, love, relationships. Like that.

But only humans can think what he is thinking.

A human can evaluate himself. Who he is? What he is thinking?

In short a human can 24/7 surveillance himself in mind, body, thoughts, action.

That means there is something beyond what we think humans are.

Find out.

But just remember your finding can be different from mine simply because no two humans are same on earth.

So why you want my logic to be wrong.

Why you want to prove God is wrong.

Why you want to say that there is no God.

Actually all three are right. Get the essence.

Interpretations are different.

We are all seeing different sides of the same Universe. Nothing else.

If a Dummy #Ayyappa Idol & Sanctum like #Sabarimala is created, BAN reason can be PROVEN. Atleast 10 out of 100 women of menstruating age will be affected.

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Why women of MENSTRUATION Age should not enter Sabarimala Ayyappan, Shani Shinganapur or other Temples?

The way its imposed without EXPLANATION, without CLARITY is wrong, but reason is right.

Both sides should keep their emotions aside. Then only this debate will end.

Someone on TEMPLE KnowHow, Create TANTRIC setup like #Sabarimala.

Do demo & PROVE. Then people will know BAN reason is RIGHT. Please No Emotions Both Sides. THINK. DEBATE.

Those Not Convinced, Live & Let Live. Agree to Disagree.

Folks dont get it due to today’s PRAGMATISM & only Logical way of thinking. Hope issue resolves. Emotions are high.

I suggest to put an end to this.
Folks like Sadhguru and other people who know about ancient temple architecture should come together.

They should build a structure that mimics the energies of Sabarimala.

Then ask 10 volunteers, especially women who are of menstruating age.

They should make the menstruating women be in the structure for few days.

Honestly, searching for the truth, going in depth, i can come to the conclusion that menstruating women better avoid Sabarimala.

Not because they are women.I am not saying i am smarter than SC judges.I am not saying i am master of temples.

All i am saying is there is a reason. All i am telling is this is not about gender equality.

Tough to believe but as i said, it can be proven if the above experiment is done.

Now, yes, you will again say okay we will go during non-menstruation days.Chapter close.

Now let me tell you, there’s a reason for that also why women should not go.

It is because temples are energy places in which every diety is energized with a certain rituals.
Sabarimala is a celibate God. So physcially women’s body will be affected if she enters the temple.

It’s like not that the diety will pounce on you.

But please dig deep on ancient temples of India, mantras and how they chant certain mantras for a certain purposes.

It’s like if i use angry words why you get angry. I just used words. Din’t beat you. Similarly, mantras/rituals work but can’t see, takes time, effect varies.
Every temple is built for a certain reason like Education, wealth, occult practice.

That doesn’t mean if you goto temples each of these problems will get solved for you.

Don’t be so narrow minded, your effort and other things also count. But yes, temples work, or else
why will scores of people keep going knowingly or unknowingly.

Yes, you are right foolish people, but millions still going..think..dig deep..find if there is some truth.

But doesn’t mean you shouldnt goto church or mosque.

Like i said, you can achieve things through hardwork, confidence, faith or combination of all these. There is no one method that works.

Who said goto temples only. If they say then its the people who are wrong, temples dint tell you..

Yes, from science perspective you will not believe all this but its not like Science is perfect.

Science makes mistake, its called part of experiment.
Same with Spirituality, it exists and has its mistakes. Becoz its again manmade. Dig deep. There are people who vouch for things beyond Science.

So in Sabarimala, mantras, rituals, energies, everything will affect women of 10-50 age.

Online, twitter and sitting at my desk and finding truth is not the way.

So what i am saying is before going against any traditions, we should dig deep, be hell bent on knowing the truth.

Find the full truth, what is the reason. Now folks will say we can go during normal days.Good please go ahead.

But again can we exactly say when menstruation occurs.Dates can pre-pone or postpone.
Which means on the inside we never know what exactly is happening.

Now yes all said and done still there is a gap of 20 days.
so any woman can for sure go when she doesn’t have periods to temple, if they want to.

But we say feminists and equal rights. Plus the traditions are blamed as mumbo-jumbo.

All i can say is, we all know risk is more if you don’t wear a helment and drive.

So should i prove it, wear helmet.Similarly, ancient temples like Sabarimala if women who are of menstruation age go to the temple, there are more chances it will affect.

But keep in mind the Effect varies.Intensity varies. Out of few lac women if they start going, it will will surely affect few women but we can’t say who, when, how much.

So point is, is this risk all worth it.Firstly, we should not assume temples, mosques, religion are all fake and always wrong and not scientific.

Next, we should try to understand from the other side, what exactly is the truth.

As i said, dig deep, find the truth.We will all do the right thing.
Yes, i know people will not be happy with this answer. But all i am saying there is a reason.
you are saying its a silly reason, can’t believe. Is that what really smart people do..they will dig deep, find truth, see risks involved rather than shouting equality.

But will you understand what i say.Again, they will put a question for that also. It’s not about right or wrong.

Find the truth. Everything else fall in place. All of you, dig deep.find the truth. Don’t Believe This Video also nor your logic.

 

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Does spirituality have any sense in a country like India?

God has given us a great gift in the form of this human body. The only purpose of this human birth, which is very difficult to get, is to realize God and hence terminate this incessant cycle of birth and death.

So, if you see any activity performed with the only aim of realizing the ultimate will not affect the world. In fact, the problem of the entire human world is because of running behind other things.

For example: Tell me one thing the earth cannot run without – stock markets, nano technology, hospitals, schools, rocket science, mobile phones, governments, you see yes, there is not a single thing created by man is required on this nature. You could very well leave your job, family, business, money and still survive with what nature has provided. In fact, agriculture is also against the nature, your converting forest lands, using natural resources. Why did you have to be greedy, nature provides plenty to eat. we had agriculture to feed more people.

No animal or plants, nothing in the world goes against nature. Lion is still doing what it was doing since existence, ants are doing what they do since existence, it is only humans in the hope of good future have started accumulating everything thereby disturbing nature and then also do forest conversation, fight for animal rights, save environment.

We were never supposed to dominate nature or even manipulate nature, we forget that we are also part of nature. So what if we are humans and are slightly smart then other creatures by thinking.

I mean we thinking creatures, humans from last 5000 years of thinking with some of the best brains, what have we done to this earth, today its a fight out there..what have we brought this earth to.

Realize everything is maya, the humans and for that every creature is beyond just this body, look deep who are you?

Just look up the sky, see the stars, moon, sun, even the small plants that stand in the heat or in the cold, they are stronger than us. Tell me most humans survive standing in ice cold water survive the next day, most fishes will survive. Trees will survive, plants will survive, So what are we humans thinking we are superior of, if we simply can’t stand in rain or sun or ice cold water. Just see the plant in your garden standing in the rain from the time it was sown, most of us will die even if we stand for few hours.

Yes, if there is one thing that is permanent then …it is your spirit, your not just a name, not just a employee or husband or a wife or a brother or a sister..come out of it, the human spirit is beyond this..that is why inspite of everything at their disposal still humans find no satisfaction..because we are all running behind something..the running behind will continue until we find the true self..spirituality is relevant everywhere…keep spirituality as the primary and LIVE your life according to it..i am not telling be ascetic..you will find the difference…once you reach this state, you will know why spirituality is not only relevant but it is the answer to all the problems.

In short, nothing is of use in this world. Not even the greatest of inventions, not even the greatest of theories, we are just complicating. This cycle will continue until we realize the ultimate truth.spirituality…

I saw this pic on quora on some other question..understand this is what a human is …not just a physical body with intelligence and relations and attitude, jobs, salary packages, gizmos, etc…he is beyond that..this is WHO WE ALL ARE?

I mean what is the size of the earth on this universe, who are we in this entire universe, just a speck….the universe is beyond comphrension. so do you think all this just for earning money, name and fame. Not even the moon is bothered about the earth…I mean just think about it..The sun can just annihilate the entire earth in a fraction of a second, and here we fighting for promotions, rights and what not..independence..

So now that you know the entire world including yourself is illusion and the spiritual self is the ultimate truth, you will not create problems in the first place, and even if problems are there, you will not worry in the second place.

Wake up, friends, from this mire of illusory Samsara now. Passion has wrought great havoc in you as you are drowned in Avidya. How many millions of fathers, mothers, wives and sons you have had in previous births! This body is full of impurities. What a shame it is to embrace this filthy body! It is mere foolishness only. Give up Moha for this body.

Remember that you are not this perishable body of flesh and bones. You are the immortal, all pervading,

Keep an eye on yourself, tell yourself all this is just a illusion, its a big dream, you just be a witness to everything around you..very soon, you will realize the truth..and that nothing matters..not poverty..not corruption..not malnutrition.