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Now,kindly answer to this question.

QUESTION:
Sorry brother again you are deviating from your point. How do you know the process of yoga which you are following is right?. Simply because it gives you some sort of pleasure for you does it mean you are going on a right path. A diabetic person thinks what will some sweets going to do with my health?. He foolishly thinks since sweets tastes good for my tongue it is good for me.

Now,kindly answer to this question.

1. Jaggi vasudev denies the existence of GOD is it not?. He did not even speak about brahma jodhi, jiva athma and param athma like swamy sivanandha spoke.
2. You are good in speaking about karma yoga, gyanana yoga, ashtanga yoga and bakthi yoga but you missed one major point infact in the vedas it is said one should approach a bonafide spiritual master coming from the disciplic sucdcession who speaks from the vedas and lives according to scriptures.
3. Whether this jaggi speaks from the scriptures and vedas and follows scriptural injunctions?

MY ANSWER:

Hi Bro,

I know what you mean.
Jaggi is by no means fits into any definition of a guru.
Off course, not to ignore the glaring accusations on him.
Even few minutes of googling will clearly show that there is a lot fishy about Jaggi. – forest, land grab, wife killer, huge money and not bonafide or till date BIG SPIRITUAL PROWESS shown to world. I get your point completely.

I am just saying for me even if Lucifer comes and teaches about Spirituality, I will see if it WORKS for me.
I don’t care if does not work for my Mom, Wife, Friends or Kid.

Does that mean i support Lucifer or keep quiet if I see Lucifer doing something wrong, no i will not.

In my capacity i will do whatever to ensure Lucifer’s wrong doings are brought to justice or punished.

Now does that mean i will support Jaggi if he does anything wrong, evil or criminal, surely No.
I know this sounds confusing.
It will sound as if i am supporting Jaggi by deviating or confusing. NO i am not.

Bro personally if I had to choose between being moral and being successful, i would always be on the side of morality.

Now in spirituality i see what, who WORKS for me.
Jaggi is wrong, he is flamboyant, Jaggi has lot of accusations, he does not quote scriptures, he is no way fit to be a guru. Let him be punished for it, is all i am saying.

Sounds a bit weird i know, what i am saying.

Anyway hope this helps.
Suppose there is a rapist and he is in jail, but he is a doctor as well.
Imagine if there is situation in the jail in the female prisoner wing where there has to be immediately the need of doctor. Think. Pause. Ponder.

I repeat Jaggi must be punished for his wrong doings. I am not denying that.

Answers to the question.

1. Jaggi vasudev denies the existence of GOD is it not?. He did not even speak about brahma jodhi, jiva athma and param athma like swamy sivanandha spoke.

My reply – Search and Read this…Does God Exist?
Two men each stand in a dark corner and ask Gautama the Buddha the inevitable question, “Does God exist?” One a devout believer, the other an out-and-out atheist. What answer does each receive?

I know this answer is again not answering YOU the way you wanted on existence of God from Sadhguru but hope you got the actual ANSWER about Sadhguru’s view on existence of God.

2. You are good in speaking about karma yoga, gyanana yoga, ashtanga yoga and bakthi yoga but you missed one major point infact in the vedas it is said one should approach a bonafide spiritual master coming from the disciplic succession who speaks from the vedas and lives according to scriptures.

my reply – I am sorry when i meant the karma yoga, gyana yoga etc. i did not mean in terms of yoga as in scripurtes.
For me a soldier is Karma Yogi, doctor is a Karma Yogi.
A scientist is gyana yogi, a mathematician is a gyana yogi.
Disciples are bhakthi yogis. Now you are saying Jaggi is fraud and so his disciples are useless.

What i am saying is it if you really know how to be a Karma Yogi, a Bhakthi Yogi or a Gyana Yogi you can TRANSCEND the 5 senses and know the ultimate, which can only be experienced but not expressed completely.

Fortunately or Unfortunately, somehow Jaggi’s teaching has worked for me.
I am in no way blind to his detractors and the strong accusations on him.
Some are very crystal clear and it is just impossible to ignore that Jaggi is fishy.

The way i look at is, now a guru can make this step easier, that’s all because he has already had a taste of it and has a certain mastery or expertise.

It’s okay to not have a guru as well.

Personally i always like a guru who is more from the SCRIPTURAL BACKGROUND, and the reasons you know very well. I am for Hindu traditions, and i personally do a lot of rituals at my home including elaborate homas (i do plenty of homas at my home) etc.
Now you are saying is Sadhguru is fake and i respect your opinion.
I am saying, i have used Sadhguru’s techniques (again accused it is copied from SSY Rishi Prabhakar and it is just hallucination for most people)

It is not hallucination for me (i don’t care whether it works for millions or it does not work millions of othes, and that is another topic to debate whether he copied from SSY etc.)

3. Whether this jaggi speaks from the scriptures and vedas and follows scriptural injunctions?

My reply – But Here is the list of who have zero scriptural background and i don’t mind becoming their disciple as well.
Mahavatar Babaji
Ramana Maharishi
Ramakrishna Paramhansa
Nerur SADASIV BRAHMENDRA (He was a Brahmin and excellent in scriptures but later after enlightenment roamed naked, no preaching, no scriptural routine, read his story)
Jesus
Yukteswar Giri
Yogi Ramsurat Kumar
Santh Tukaram
TRAILANGA
Neem Karoli Baba
Kanakadas
Buddha – Super normal powers the historic Buddha was said to have possessed and exercised include the six higher knowledges, psychic abilities, clairaudience, telepathy, recollection of one’s own past lives, seeing the past lives and rebirths of others (dibba-cakkhu), and the extinction of mental intoxicants.

I usually do not share these miracle side kicks and then convince people to think i am right.
Again you can argue whether these gurus, avatars, yogis really had any spiritual prowess.
I am saying it does not matter., whether they had powers or knew scriptures.
I am saying see if SPIRITUALLY it works for you.

Most of them hardly knew any scriptures but their spiritual prowess is no less than Shankaracharya, Sri Raghavendra, Madhwacharya etc.

And there are many many spiritual people, 100s of miraculous yogis, avatars, gurus, siddhas, rishis like these in the past (Dwapara, Treta, Satya Yuga – ancient Indian times as well), present who were no less spiritual then “scriptural gurus and tradition”. I can even give examples of Gods who are not all mentioned in scriptures but they are Hindu Gods of the prime order and worshiped with aplomb by even the most scriptural folks.

To sum it up:
Again for you Jaggi is fake guru. I respect your opinions.
For me Jaggi’s (so called copied) tools work.
Do i support Jaggi’s wrong doings, no not all.
Will i forsake morality, dharma, righteousness for success, gains, money – NO.

Now the only problem is you think i confused you or did not answer your question but that is because you are already expecting a certain answer from me and if i did not match your reasons, you come to conclusion i am wrong.

On the other hand i know why you are saying is Jaggi is fake, i know you are spiritually highly evolved as well and i know why you are saying i am wrong. All i am saying is i am fine with it. I know you are saying this because you do not want me to goto a wrong guru or get mindwashed. I am really for your concern.

You are not fine or agree to me answers, i am fine with that too.

End result what i am worried is hope you don’t miss your actual aim of transcending the 5 senses and know the ultimate. This is all i am trying to say, see IF IT WORKS FOR YOU. It doesn’t matter even if whole world says you are mindwashed, or fooled or following wrong technique.

I repeat, I am saying see if SPIRITUALLY it works for YOU.

Is it giving RESULTS without any sideffects or perils or causing any damage to society, life etc??? That is enough.